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Saturday, November 24, 2012

Reply to : Finally the Real Birth Certificate - From my inbox


The person who says "I really don't care." below is really the problem!

I am glad that I know people who can check on or verify mail that I get.  Last night I sent the message below to five individuals asking them their thoughts.
Today, I received the following from a good friend in Minneapolis.  So, you see folks, it certainly looks likes a lot more research will have to be done before this issue is ever finished.  I really don't care.  He is my President for four more years.  He has the responsibility to build our great country into a strong healthy and wealthy one once again and look like the America people once envied.   He does need support and it has to come from everybody, Democrats, Republicans, Congress, the Supreme Court and of course, the media.  Enough said about who he is --- for now!!!
                                 >>>>  My friends's reply.  <<<<
I thought you might find the following article from snopes.Com interesting: http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/kenyacert.asp
 At the end of the article:  segment where you can go and make a fake document. 


Okay, you folks that I am sending this email to can go to your computers and do some research for me.  This is going out to several that has expertise for investigating email that I pass on to them.  Let me know what kind of results you get.  I would appreciate some replies..If I knew it were really true, it would be something to see the fireworks.  But as usual it will probably be made up.  Check anyway.






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FINALLY, the REAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE !
Obama's authentic birth certificate from Coast Memorial Hospital, in Mombasa, KENYA. Now the task is to get the courts to authenticate it and then kick Obama out of office, something they are loathe to do.
Snopes says it's true. Here it is! The document we have been waiting for! Now if only Congress or the Supreme Court will act on this! Spread this around....if these documents are as authentic as they certainly seem to be, Obama is NOT qualified to be our President and he sits in the White House illegally! This is what Obama has spent almost $2M (so far) to hide.

Here's a close-up of the top of the document where you can plainly read his name and his parent's names, etc....

A British history buff was asked if he could find out who the colonial registrar was for Mombasa in 1961. After only a few minutes of research, he called back and said "Sir Edward F. Lavender Note the same name near the bottom of the photo above. Source(S): Kenya Dominion Record 4667 Australian library."
And here is a close-up of the bottom of the document where you can read "Coast Providence of Kenya " and the Official signature of the Deputy Registrar.....

The above document is a "Certified Copy of Registration of Birth", but below is a copy of the actual Certificate of Birth. The real-deal legal kind of certificate. The Mombasa Registrar of Births has testified that Obama's birth certificate from Coast Province General Hospital in Mombasa is genuine. This copy was obtained by Lucas Smith through the help of a Kenyan Colonel who recently got it Directly from the Coast General Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya. Here it is.....

Note the footprint!! The local Muslim Imam in Mombasa named Barack with his Muslim middle name Hussein so his official name on this certificate is Barack Hussein Obama II. The grandmother of Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. Reveals the story of his birth in Mombasa, Kenya, a seaport, after his mother suffered labor pains while swimming at ocean beach in Mombasa.
"On August 4, 1961 Obama's mother, father and grandmother were attending a Muslim festival in Mombasa, Kenya. Mother had been refused entry to airplanes due to her nine month pregnancy. It was a hot August day at the festival so the Obamas went to the beach to cool off. While swimming in the ocean his mother experienced labor pains so was rushed to the Coast Provincial General Hospital, Mombasa, Kenya where Obama was born a few hours later at 7:21 PM on August 4, 1961 (what a sad day for the USA!). Four days later his mother flew to Hawaii and registered his birth in Honolulu as a certificate of live birth which omitted the place and hospital of birth."
Letter from Kitau in Mombasa, Kenya ........ "I happen to be Kenyan. I was born 1 month before Obama at Mombasa medical center. I am a teacher here at the MM Shaw Primary School in Kenya. I compared my birth certificate to the one that has been put out by Taitz and mine is exactly the same. I even have the same registrar and format. The type is identical. I am by nature a skeptical person. I teach science here and challenge most things that cannot be proven. So I went to an official registrar today and pulled up the picture on the web. They magnified it and determined it to be authentic. There is even a plaque with Registrar Lavenders name on it as he was a Brit and was in charge of the Registrar office from 1959 until January of 1964. The reason the date on the certificate says republic of Kenya is that we were a republic when the "copy" of the original was ordered. I stress the word "copy". My copy also has republic of Kenya. So what you say is true about Kenya not being a republic at the time of Obama's birth, however it was a republic when the copy was ordered. The birth certificate is genuine. I assure you it will be authenticated by a forensic auditor. We are very proud Obama was born here. We have a shrine for him and there are many people who remember his birth here as he had a white mother. They are being interviewed now by one of your media outlets. Fortunately they even have pictures of his parents with him immediately after his birth at the Mombasa hospital with the hospital in the background. It will be a proud day for us when it is proven that he was born here and a Kenyan became the most powerful man in the world. I encourage anyone to come here and visit. I will be happy to take you and show you the pictures at the hospital myself as well as my document and many others that are identical to what Taitz posted. God Bless. Kitau"
So, how much more proof do we need? Well, Here it is...

Lolo Soetoro, Stanley Ann Dunham Soetoro, baby Maya Soetoro, and 9 year old Barry Soetoro. This registration document, made available on Jan. 24, 2007, by the Fransiskus Assisi school in Jakarta, Indonesia, shows the registration of Barack Obama under the name Barry Soetoro made by his step-father, Lolo Soetoro. Name: Barry Soetoro Religion: Islam Nationality: Indonesian

How did this little INDONESIAN Muslim child - Barry Soetoro, (A.K.A. Barack Obama) get around the issue of nationality to become President of the United States of America?
PART 2: In a move certain to fuel the debate over Obama's qualifications for the presidency, the group "Americans for Freedom of Information" has released copies of President Obama's college transcripts from Occidental College. The transcript indicates that Obama, under the name Barry Soetoro, received financial aid as a foreign student from Indonesia while an undergraduate at the school. The transcript was released by Occidental College in compliance with a court order in a suit brought by the group in the Superior Court of California. The transcript shows that Obama (Soetoro) applied for financial aid and was awarded a fellowship for foreign students from the Fulbright Foundation Scholarship program. To qualify for this scholarship, a student must claim foreign citizenship. This document provides the smoking gun that many of Obama's detractors have been seeking - that he is NOT a natural-born citizen of the United States - necessary to be President of the United States. Along with the evidence that he was first born in Kenya, here we see that there is no record of him ever applying for US citizenship. Gary Kreep of the United States Justice Foundation has released the results of their investigation of Obama's campaign spending. This study estimates that Obama has spent upwards of $950,000 in campaign funds in the past year with eleven law firms in 12 states for legal resources to block disclosure of any of his personal records. Mr. Kreep indicated that the investigation is still on-going but that the final report will be provided to the U.S. attorney general, Eric Holder. Mr. Holder has refused comment on this matter.
LET OTHER FOLKS KNOW THIS NEWS - THE MEDIA WON'T!







12 comments:

smrstrauss said...

The “born in Kenya” story is the height of the loony side of the birther movement. It is based on forgeries like that of Lucas D. Smith, and falsifications--–such as the claim that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya—--when she actually said right on the same tape that he was born IN HAWAII, and she said in another interview that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama’s birth was in a letter FROM HAWAII.

Lucas D. Smith, a convicted felon, claimed that he went to Kenya and got Obama’s birth certificate at a hospital in Mombasa. But Lucas D. Smith has constantly refused to show proof that he, Smith, had ever gone to Kenya. All that he would have to do would be to show a Kenya stamp on a page of a passport, but Lucas D. Smith has refused to do that, constantly, and he has also constantly refused to say why he will not show that proof. (Moreover, his “birth certificate” uses US date formats [month/day/year] and not the day/month/year format used in Kenya.)

Laying aside for a moment the overwhelming proof that Obama was born in Hawaii, the evidence that Obama was NOT born in Kenya is also very strong. There were a grand total of 21 people who came to the USA from Kenya in 1961. Of these only seven were US citizens. And the birther myth has always been that Obama’s parents went there and returned by plane, but only one person came to the USA from Kenya in 1961 by plane and that person was, wait for it, NOT a US citizen. And Obama’s father did not go to Kenya in 1961 either (making it unlikely that his mother did, since travel late in pregnancy was rare, and even more rare without the husband going along). WND has proved with a FOI Act request that Obama senior stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961.

And the Kenyan government investigated the “born in Kenya” story, and found that it was not true.

“Jon Chessoni, a first secretary at the Kenyan Embassy in Washington, can’t understand why his office gets so many baseless questions about whether Barack Obama was born in Kenya.

“It’s madness,” said Chessoni on Monday.“His father, in 1961, would not even have been in Kenya. When this matter first came up, the Kenyan government did its research and confirmed that these are all baseless claims.””

http://washingtonindependent.com/53654/forged …

Obama has a Hawaii birth certificate that says that he was born in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital, and the officials of both parties in Hawaii have confirmed that fact. It is also confirmed by the birth announcement in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961, which were sent to the papers only by the DOH of Hawaii.

Obama’s birth announcement appeared in a section of the newspapers called Health Bureau Statistics. As the name indicates, and as the papers and the DOH also say, ONLY the DOH of Hawaii could send birth notices to the Health Bureau Statistics section of the paper. And the DOH only sent out those notices for children that it had issued birth certificates for, and in 1961 the DOH was not allowed to register the births of children who were not born in Hawaii.

Oh, and there is this:

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2011/04/kapiol …

smrstrauss said...

The “born in Kenya” story is the height of the loony side of the birther movement. It is based on forgeries like that of Lucas D. Smith, and falsifications--–such as the claim that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya—--when she actually said right on the same tape that he was born IN HAWAII, and she said in another interview that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama’s birth was in a letter FROM HAWAII.

Lucas D. Smith, a convicted felon, claimed that he went to Kenya and got Obama’s birth certificate at a hospital in Mombasa. But Lucas D. Smith has constantly refused to show proof that he, Smith, had ever gone to Kenya. All that he would have to do would be to show a Kenya stamp on a page of a passport, but Lucas D. Smith has refused to do that, constantly, and he has also constantly refused to say why he will not show that proof. (Moreover, his “birth certificate” uses US date formats [month/day/year] and not the day/month/year format used in Kenya.)

Laying aside for a moment the overwhelming proof that Obama was born in Hawaii, the evidence that Obama was NOT born in Kenya is also very strong. There were a grand total of 21 people who came to the USA from Kenya in 1961. Of these only seven were US citizens. And the birther myth has always been that Obama’s parents went there and returned by plane, but only one person came to the USA from Kenya in 1961 by plane and that person was, wait for it, NOT a US citizen. And Obama’s father did not go to Kenya in 1961 either (making it unlikely that his mother did, since travel late in pregnancy was rare, and even more rare without the husband going along). WND has proved with a FOI Act request that Obama senior stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961.

And the Kenyan government investigated the “born in Kenya” story, and found that it was not true.

“Jon Chessoni, a first secretary at the Kenyan Embassy in Washington, can’t understand why his office gets so many baseless questions about whether Barack Obama was born in Kenya.

“It’s madness,” said Chessoni on Monday.“His father, in 1961, would not even have been in Kenya. When this matter first came up, the Kenyan government did its research and confirmed that these are all baseless claims.””

http://washingtonindependent.com/53654/forged …

Obama has a Hawaii birth certificate that says that he was born in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital, and the officials of both parties in Hawaii have confirmed that fact. It is also confirmed by the birth announcement in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961, which were sent to the papers only by the DOH of Hawaii.

Obama’s birth announcement appeared in a section of the newspapers called Health Bureau Statistics. As the name indicates, and as the papers and the DOH also say, ONLY the DOH of Hawaii could send birth notices to the Health Bureau Statistics section of the paper. And the DOH only sent out those notices for children that it had issued birth certificates for, and in 1961 the DOH was not allowed to register the births of children who were not born in Hawaii.

Oh, and there is this:

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2011/04/kapiol …

smrstrauss said...

Obama was born in the USA---in Hawaii----as his birth certificate and the confirmation of the officials of both parties in Hawaii and the Index Data and the birth notices sent to the papers in 1961 by the DOH of Hawaii all show.

The claims that Obama's birth certificate was forged come ONLY from birter "experts"---who have not proved that they are even experts, and who certainly have not showed that they are fair and impartial. For example, the claims that a scanned document would not show layers---they are false.

A scanned document put into pdf WOULD show layers, and a complex document would show lots of layers, and it is a pdf document. This is one reason why Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck and the National Review all call birthers CRAZY, and it is also why Romney and Reagan and Gingrich and Santorum and Ron Paul and Bachmann and Huckabee do not believe the birther myth.

The "born in Kenya" claim is one of the looniest of birther stories. Only 21 people came to the USA from Kenya in 1961, and the Kenyan government has said that it investigated the claim that Obama was born there---and that it is false. And Obama's Kenyan grandmother NEVER said that he was born in Kenya. She said repeatedly in the taped interview that Obama was born in Hawaii, and she said in another interview (never quoted by birther sites) that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama's birth was in A LETTER FROM HAWAII.

Would you like me to show citations for all the facts above?

GreyLocke said...

You know you would be more believable if you didn't post on this 3 times and had an actual user profile Whether this information is true or not, if you noticed a little blurb on the right side of my blog with it's letters in RED text, I make NO claims as to the accuracy or veracity of anything I mark as from the inbox or from my inbox. I just present it for information and readers can make of it what they wish.

As for your 3 comments, I just wonder why you would be so vociferous in your declamations and what your overall beliefs actually are. And why you feel the need AFTER the election to be so protective of Obama.

smrstrauss said...

Re: "why you feel the need AFTER the election to be so protective of Obama. "

Answer: Because there are nuts with guns who actually might believe this stuff.

Mark said...

And you are qualified to determine people's mental capabilities how?

Or are you just making a rather insulting generalization?

And you appointed yourself to police the internet for supposed falsehoods, why?

smrstrauss said...

Re: "And you appointed yourself to police the internet for supposed falsehoods, why?"

Answer: A hobby. as for "determine people's mental capabilities.." There have been four assassinations.

The key point, which you gloss over, is that what you published is FALSE. Obama was not born in Kenya. It is truly nutty to believe that Obama was born in Kenya when the Kenyan government says that he was NOT born in Kenya and the Hawaii government says that he WAS born in Hawaii. (And when only 21 people came to the USA from Kenya in 1961 and when in 2012 terms a trip from Hawaii to Kenya round trip would have cost about ten thousand dollars for one person).

You have the right to publish anything you want, of course. But you should at least consider the facts that make what you say may have happened virtually impossible to have happened.

GreyLocke said...

So as a hobby, you intentionally insert yourself in to political arguments which you have to know are high emotional arguments, where for many people once their emotions get into play all logic and reasoning goes out the window. And you call this a "hobby". Others would quite possibly and rightly call this being a "troll" and "troll-like" behavior.

As for your "Key" point, I make no claims as to whether the post is true or false, hence the headline "From the inbox" and the disclaimer on the right side of my blog in RED text as to such. You are the one who keeps flogging this to death. As the notice says, the post will NOT be deleted. You have presented what you believe to be credible information, with cites, however you are the only person doing so. And since you have no real identifiable profile, you do not write a blog of your own. I don't know you from adam or eve, and you expect me on your research alone to change or update a post. And you continually keep posting comments declaring that you are right and that I am somehow wrong.

You don't win an argument that way. You do not and cannot have a rational discussion that way.

And yes I can publish whatever I want. However I don't publish things I believe are irresponsible, which you somehow think I have done.

I have asked you what makes you qualified to determine the mental capabilities of people and you trot out, that there have been 4 assassinations. I will ask again "What makes YOU, the determinator of someones mental capabilities?" What are your real world qualifications to diagnose someone you have never met, probably never will meet, and to do it all through letters on a computer screen.

I published something you don't like or agree with. You posted a comment with links saying it was false. I asked you a question you have given minimal answers which do NOT answer the original questions. You are evasive and try to shift the argument from yourself to others who are unnamed, who might be somehow a possible threat, which you have no way to determine, or prove.

Here is what I think at the moment. You see something you disagree with, you post multiple comments about it, evidently ignoring what I have written on the rest of my blog about my comments policy, and evidently everything else I have written in toto, you make claims and cast aspersions while not having a profile that tells me who your are or why I should in any way or shape should give you any credence except as a trollish person who is a one argument individual, who will defend their specious claims to the death, regardless of good common sense, or actual reality. Because you don't like to "Lose" an on line argument.

#1: I would suggest you really read my blog, including all the little notices and such that I have on the right side.

#2: Don't take this so seriously. If I thought for a second that some unhinged person would take anything I write on my blog in a threatening manner, I would have Law Enforcement going through my visitor logs more than they already do. I have posted screen shots of them from the logs, I have many high profile agencies going through my blog at times. And 2 of them I am quite sure strip my blog and it's comments daily to crunch with their computers searching for threats. For you to think you could do their job is a lot of hubris on your part.

#3: If you wish to continue belaboring this point, I will more than likely reach a point I close the comments on it, as I will get tired of it, especially with someone who has no real identifiable on line profile.

So either quit flogging a dead horse or leave my comment section alone.

smrstrauss said...

Okay, call me a troll. You allow comments from the other side on this blog and I am one of them.

I have described my motives, and they are sufficient.

You have posted something which you yourself have just said that you are not certain whether or not you agree with. Well, that means that it is a GOOD thing for the other side to show, with FACTS and citations, that it is not true.

Some people may not care whether it is true or not. I post for those who are concerned about whether it is or it is not.

For anyone who takes this matter seriously, read what I said again. The proof that Obama was born in Hawaii is overwhelming. There is no proof that he was born anywhere else, and the government of Kenya has said that he certainly was not born there. And a simple telephone call to the Indonesian Embassy (which you or anyone can make) will confirm that Obama was never an Indonesian Citizen. Yes, there is an UNSIGNED document that claims that he was an Indonesian citizen, but that is a lie because he wasn't, and the Indonesian government is the authority on such matters.

GreyLocke said...

With you continued protestations about this matter and your lack of an identifiable on line profile, yes I call you a troll.

If you wish to be taken seriously by myself and others like myself you would give yourself a credible profile. You have nothing on your profile besides a user name. I have my picture and a way to contact me on mine. You? You have nothing. Hence to me in my eyes you are nothing but a troll.

That is the main reason why I ignore mostly what you write as it pertains to the issue. There is no body to you other than a user account devoid of life. Look at my profiles. I blog here under two different profiles and both are listed, both have my picture, both have a way to contact me.

For you to continue comment here as you have been, specifically about this one issue under as far as I know a fake account, leads me to believe that you are a do nothing troll.

And unlike the CSGV, Ceasefire, HCI and the DU, I only delete comments that are spam. I do not delete comments that disagree with what I have posted. For the most part any of the posts I have written in the last 5+ years anyone can comment on. I only moderate to keep spam out of my comment section.

I have only banned 1 person from commenting on my blog and even Google has banned them for spamming.

Me, I have been banned from DU, HuffPo and a few other "enlightened" blogs and sites, simply for posting my opinions and beliefs.

So yes I will always allow differing opinions to comment here as long as they abide the simple rules I have in place.

And please quit beating what I consider to be a dead horse.

I have over 5 years of posts here on a wide range of subjects. Surely something else I have written should catch your fancy.

And please expand your profile some unless you wish to be considered a troll.

B Steadman said...

Please check out the extensive information regarding the 'Lucas Daniel Smith, Obama Kenyan Birth Certificate' that is available for viewing and free download at:

http://www.WasObamaBornInKenya.com

GreyLocke said...

Please get a "real" profile. Until you have a real profile with real content such as a picture, it doesn't even have to be a picture of you, plus some form of contact information, quit bothering my blog and my comment section.