Kel-Tec

My eldest daughter's fiance, a really nice polite young man who treats my daughter the way she is supposed to be treated, owns a Glock 17.  I told him and my daughter both that I want to get a Kel-Tec Sub 2000 for my daughter.  What I would like however Kel-Tec doesn't offer.

Kel-Tec has hit it out of the park with their Sub 2000 Carbines in both 9mm and .40 S&W.  However they do not offer the Sub 2000 with the grip to use Glock 26 magazines..  Why Glock 26 you ask?  Because Bronson, my soon to be son in law has a Glock 17, and I want my daughter to get herself a Glock 26 for herself.  I also want her to have a Sub 2000 carbine that would use the same 10 round magazine of her Glock 26.

My thought on this are, Kel-Tec would make the Sub 2000 to take the Glock 26 magazine, and offer a slide in and locking spacer to lengthen the grip for the either the Glock 19 or the Glock 17 magazines.

Think of the take down pistol used in many spy movies, where the pieces just slide together and lock into each other which allows 00-whatever to assemble a full size firearm out of pieces the size of a can of smokeless tobacco.

Imagine if you would, the small grip for the Glock 26 magazines, however an internal lip, which would allow a polymer spacer to be slid onto the internal lip with a locking lip to hold the spacer in place or it could be slid in and a locking screw could be used in the back strap area to hold the spacer in place.  You could have 2 sizes of spacers, for either the Glock 17 or the Glock 19 magazines.

As for fitting a decent optic, I've seen the rotating forends, what I would like to see is one that would only rotate 45 degrees, so that when it the Sub 2000 is folded, your optic is held slightly to the side, and the forend is actually part of how the carbine is held closed.  My idea is the forend is locked when the barrel is locked.  It cannot move, when you open the barrel for folding, the forend rotates 45 degrees and it's corner actually helps to lock it in the folded position.

So Kel-Tec!!  How about it?  Glock 26 size frame with slide in/lock in-bolt in spacers, forend rail only rotates 45 degrees and is part of the locking mechanism when folded.  Ohhhh, and please thread the barrel for a suppressor..  Even with good Earpro, 9mm is just a tetch LOUD!

After that, I'd like to talk to you folks about a Sub 2000 in .45 ACP for myself.  It could use the Glock 21 magazines.  Considering the recoil impulse isn't quite as stout as 9mm you can probably use the same blowback operation of the standard Sub 2000's.  I know several police Law Enforcement Agencies that would buy those in a heartbeat.  Like I would.

And just to be really silly, could you guys make a .32 ACP and .380 ACP Versions of the Sub 2000?  I know I'd buy the .32 ACP version just because I like the caliber.  Or maybe conversion kits to convert the larger caliber firearms to those calibers..

Range Report from 7/25/2013

Since I live way out in the county, I can shoot on my property without any legal issues other than being sure I have a good backstop.  On the property where my house is, I don't have a backstop, so we only shoot the air rifles here.  When I want to shoot the larger calibers I have to either go over to my family's other property about 200 feet away across the back, or drive several miles and pay a range fee.  For just plinking or teaching someone how to use a handgun, we just go over to the other property where the back stop is a large drainage ditch that we shoot down in to.  That is what I did today.

My daughter's boyfriend Matt has fired a shotgun before but no other types of firearms and he really wants to get a handgun.  I'd rather he learn more about firearms in general before he purchases one for himself.  So today I loaded up several different types and calibers of handguns a couple rifles and some shotguns to start his firearms education.

First we went over to the property and set up the range.

Several disposable plates with orange stickers from Amazon, such as Carteach discussed on his blog tacked to wood shims then stuck into the ground.  Add some 3 liter diet coke bottles filled with water and you have the targets.

The firearms used for the training.  Yes there is a .22 Beeman Air rifle there.

I started him off by going over the 4 Rules, and proper handling.  Then I discussed proper sight picture.

I started with my Heritage Arms .22 LR Single Action revolver.  After 24 rounds over coaching and stressing proper sight use he got a nice target.

He got all 6 on target after his first 24 rounds.  Then we moved up to one of my my Taurus 82's.

He figured out how to use the sights properly and to take his time.

Then we moved up to one of my Tokarevs and my FEG.

Shooting the FEG

Shooting the Tokarev

Then I put 3 mags through my FEG.  2 Mags, 14 rounds at one target and 1 mag 7 rounds at another, to check just how accurate I can get with it.  We are about 25 feet away from the targets.

Rapid Fire 14 rounds, 1 shot double action the remainder single action.  You can see I missed with 1 round and clipped the outside edge of the plate, one of those holes is actually two.

Rapid Fire 7 rounds, 1st round double action the rest single action.  Distance 25 feet.  I'm pretty sure that one round on the bottom right is my first double action round.  I wasn't trying to be super accurate, I was just trying to get all seven on the target as quickly as I could.  I think I did ok, so the FEG is now Designated EDC.

I've never claimed to be an expert pistol shot, I'm much better with rifles and shotguns, but those are 9 inch disposable plates at 25 feet.  That is Center Mass.  I'm happy.

Next up, my daughter wanted to shoot some shotguns and the Sears/Savage .22 Pump rifle.  So we got those out.

Here she is with the Maverick 88 with an ATI folding stock so it fits behind the seat of the truck.  No Taktikewl attachments, although I might be putting a mount for a Mini-Mag light with a remote touch switch base.

Here I am shooting my Rossi Side by Side 12 Gauge.  I LOVE this shotgun.  I really need to find a place to learn how to shoot Trap and Skeet.  My only complaint is it only has an extractor, not an auto ejector like my other Rossi and my New England Firearms single shots.

Below is a demonstration of Hydrostatic Shock I gave to Matt to explain the lethality of a firearm.

After Matt finished his soda I had him fill it with water, then I used the Sears/Savage .22 Pump to shoot it with 1 round from 25 feet away.  This is the result.  I explained to Matt, how most of the damage from a bullet is from the Hydrostatic Shock causes damage to the internal organs of the body through the shock wave propagating in the body tearing and damaging blood vessels and organs.  He thought the .22 would just punch a hole in the can, not rupture it and send it flying 6 feet.  This was not a sealed can of soda, it was just a can we filled with water.  So the fluids were not contained, and still the can ruptured.


A weird jam we had today.

Yes that is a Winchester .45 ACP case stuck in the chamber BACKWARDS.  A cleaning rod and my daughter Mary's multi-pliers took care of it real quick. and we finished off a 100 round box of Winchester White box.

So today I introduced a young man to shooting, the 4 Rules and how to correct a Malf in the field.

Now I just need to get him some more practice as the ammo situation allows before he decides which firearm he buys for himself.


Any day I can go out and shoot with my daughter and help someone else on the road to responsible Firearms Ownership is a Good Day.

I don't normally post the guys from Moss Pawn

because some of their stuff is just really silly.  However they have been changing up their stuff and adding some thing which I think are rather informative.  So here is Barry discussing the .45 ACP Cartridge, it is a little light on some things but makes a good starting point.